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The title is referring to a notorious groupie-related event in Led Zeppelin history, detailed here. Long dismissed as legend, it seems to have really happened in July 1969, and (could this possibly be?) everybody left the hotel room happy. Except, of course, for the poor shark.
My last few posts have discussed the relationship of the Beatles’ (and Lennon’s) image versus the likely reality, and my desire for Beatle fandom to become more nuanced, sophisticated and—forgive the loaded word—adult in its relationship with these things. For us to stop giving the Beatles the same preferences and moral boundaries as ourselves. This is particularly common in recent fan-talk, on You Tube and elsewhere, where the Beatles’ emotional lives are plumbed, drawing mostly on the speaker’s own experiences. “Well, I just think that Paul said that because…” “Well, George’s feelings were hurt because…” and so forth.
I do this, you do this, all Beatlefans do this. But repeat after me: The Beatles aren’t us. Pretending otherwise is key to the Beatles’ particular charisma, but by the time they were 22, their lives had gotten so huge, so strange that no fan could really relate. With the possible exception of the fans that became rock stars themselves, and even then, there was a lot of the Beatles’ experience was unique to them as the first, the biggest, etc.
Acknowledging this profound isolation, is the first step to seeing the miracle. Until you do that, it’s all just Legends of Classic Rock.
When I’ve talked about people doing the Beatles’ “dirty work,” or them being “sharp-elbowed” in the pursuit of fame, I haven’t been talking about anything you or I know about. I’m not talking about anything you or I have done, or could do. The things I’m talking about are personal and business behaviors that, when practiced by average folk, result in criminal prosecution; shady things at massive scale that are common among celebrities and the powerful, who usually but not always, suffer no visible consequences.
You can break them down into drugs, sex, and money.
The Beatles used drugs constantly from Hamburg on. Before 1963 or so, nobody cared, but after that, they were very rich and very famous—thus very vulnerable. These drugs were often illegal to possess, much less use. How were they getting their drugs? Who was giving them to them? Why was Fleet Street silent about all this? Who was making sure that some ambitious cop in some Southern U.S. town wasn’t going to bust them? In 1966, the entire South would’ve LOVED to see them in jail—why didn’t somebody make themselves a hero?
That’s a dog that didn’t bark. Making sure The Beatles were able to use drugs, when and however and as much as they wanted — that’s “dirty work.”
The Beatles were sleeping with scads of people from Hamburg on, and from 1964, were very rich and famous. Were all of those partners women? Were all of the women of age? Did none of those women get pregnant? Did no Beatle ever get an STD? That’s what the Official Narrative would have us believe, but what are the odds? Who was making sure that there was not a single known consequence to any of this activity? Where are the women claiming paternity? The lawsuits with millions of dollars at stake? Who was making sure that some ambitious person didn’t try to blackmail John, Paul, George or Ringo, like Dizz blackmailed Brian? Who cooled out the beefs? Who paid for the abortions? And so forth.
Another dog that didn’t bark. Making sure the Beatles could have sex whenever and with whomever they wanted to: “dirty work.”
As to money, we know more than we used to, including the seamy stuff like Brian buying a bunch of records to get the Fabs on the charts. But there’s more, surely–it was common practice for promoters to pay bands “paper bag money,” that is, proceeds from concerts that were in cash, unreported, and untaxed. Surely some of this cash made it to the Fabs, or their business interests. Who made sure that they didn’t get hassled about this?
More “dirty work.”
Why is this drugs/sex/money aspect of the Beatles’ story important? Because it’s the one that hasn’t yet been told, and it’s the one that would probably do more to tell us “what it was like to be a Beatle” than any other. What we know is basically the Beatles’ professional lives; but think back to your own 20s. What portion of your life was your professional life? Even if you were in a crazy, or great, job and that number is 70%, what do you remember now? Mostly the 30%; mostly the personal.
The story of John, Paul, George and Ringo’s personal lives will likely never be told, not only because more and more of the people involved are dead; but also because as a person ages they tend to be less willing to “come clean,” especially if morals have changed. I know several people who burned a swath through the Sixties and Seventies, who will not speak of what they did. They don’t want to be judged. And if your public image is part of a billion-dollar business concern like The Beatles/Apple, talking is inconceivable.
What does this tell us, this chorus of dogs that didn’t bark? By seeing what dogs didn’t bark, or how they barked, or noting when they started barking, we can learn some things.
With sex, the dogs never really barked. They still haven’t barked. I seem to recall Paul having some paternity suit hushed up in ’64; is there more? If there were mudsharks and groupies with the Beatles, we’ll never know. But given John’s “Satyricon” comment, Ringo’s penchant for partying in the 70s, George’s well-known womanizing and Paul’s “hunting the female hordes” comment, it’s likely that anything and everything happened on tour, but was hushed up. Think of that the next time you watch A Hard Day’s Night. And if you find it bothers you, why? The movie is still great, but it was never real. That was never them.
With drugs, the dog didn’t bark until Sgt. Pilcher showed up in 1968. This suggests that Brian had had something to do with the Beatles’ protection on this front. My Spidey sense says he and David Jacobs handled a lot of stuff; and via Jacobs, Brian had access to a whole set of carrots and sticks.
In the 80s, the big scandal in Beatledom was how badly Brian Epstein had botched the Beatles’ merchandising and record deals. He was incompetent! everyone said. Would the Beatles have actually FIRED Brian when his deal was up in 1967?
But here’s a radical notion: Brian was great at precisely the things he needed to be great at. The first job was keeping John and Paul’s creative rivalry from devolving into two opposing camps, as hangers-on attached themselves to each Beatle. Within a year of Epstein’s death, this was exactly what had happened, and it reached its final, lethal stage when their next manager, Allen Klein, picked John over Paul. The exact opposite of how Brian had kept the group together.
Brian’s second job was to do the “dirty work.” Which he did so well that, even fifty years later, we are faced with a choice: either John, Paul, George and Ringo acted fundamentally differently than their contemporaries (like the Stones, the Who, and Zep), or the truly naughty stories were successfully squashed, never to be told.
I personally think it’s pretty unlikely that The Beatles were morally better than other rock bands. So I think it’s likely that what they did, was successfully covered up by Brian and Derek and Mal/Neil, and Peter Brown, and David Jacobs and…a lot of people we don’t know about.
We even know how the cover-up would work, because we’ve seen it in action. Speaking of Peter Brown, he’s really most notable as the only member of The Beatles’ inner circle who ever talked. And when he talked, in the book The Love You Make, it was mostly a nothingburger. Sales were OK; he didn’t retire on them. But, tellingly, the inner circle went bonkers. Brown was excommunicated. I’m sure he thought, “Man, if I’d just told the story they wanted me to tell…” How much more money would Brown have made, from the book and all the Apple gigs after that?
Fans want to like their heroes, so they apply to them their own sense of morals. But this is not helpful; you and I are not Beatles, and we must cross-examine our imagination. In the Wikipedia entry on Brown’s book, a pair of Beatle authors are quoted as saying that Brown was “clearly more interested in selling books than presenting a balanced, accurate portrait.” Really? “Clearly” to whom? Who sold more books, the mostly Official Narrative Philip Norman, or Peter Brown? As a purely commercial bookselling gambit, truth-telling seems to kinda suck. And who is more likely to know what actually happened, Beatle authors combing through secondary sources or a guy who actually worked at NEMS?
These same writers are further quoted that “Brown certainly would not have dared to present such salacious pap in John Lennon’s lifetime and market it as an ‘insider’s story,'” which is legend-huffing at its most asinine. It assumes that Lennon—famously, if intermittently, interested in showing himself and his Beatles “with their trousers off”—would have disagreed with Brown, or agreed with the surviving three’s desire to keep their private business private. Even so, Lennon’s opinion has nothing to do with it; Brown has a right to say his piece, it was his life too, and fans’ unthinking devotion to their celebrity of choice has been proved to be much more societally dangerous than telling tales on a famous boss. Most worrying of all, this attitude suggests that the only entity which has a right to tell the Beatles story is Apple. I disagree with this—whether Brown’s book was good or not, sincere or not, done for money or not. The Beatles of all people have no right to criticize people for doing stuff for money. If the Beatles are important, then the truth should be pursued. If the truth leads to mudsharks, so be it. If there are are mudsharks in every band’s story but none in the Beatles’ story, any fan who is intellectually curious should note the goddamn deafening silence.
Finally, another Beatle fan author, Chris Ingham, is quoted that Lennon and Epstein “would undoubtedly have felt let down” by Brown’s book. This assumes that Brown’s factually wrong because The Beatles/Apple didn’t like what he had to say; assumes that Lennon wouldn’t have been in one of his myth-busting periods; and that a 1981 version of Brian Epstein would’ve had the same relationship with his sexuality as he had in 1967. All this is really debatable.
Here’s what is not debatable: being a Beatle Author is essentially making money off Knowing The Official Narrative, and so Beatle Authors must defend not only the story we know, but the idea that we can know—that the Beatles Story is knowable. But I don’t think it is. I think we can guess, but in all our guessing, I’m not really comfortable telling Peter Brown—the guy who was there, the guy who worked for and with Brian Epstein, the guy who knows what John’s breath smelled like—that he’s full of shit because in 1981 Yoko wasn’t yet ready to Go There. Especially if I am myself in the business of selling books to fans. Fans want the Official Narrative, that’s how it became Official. If fans wanted the sleaze, that’s what Apple would be selling, better believe it.
Final point: Talking about “dogs that didn’t bark” is the kind of statement that the internet finds inflaming. “So now anything a person says that [insert favorite Beatle] did is TRUE? How is that fair to [fave]? Why do you hate [fave]? I just think, that after all [fave] has given the world, we ought to give him privacy and respect!”
I agree. Your favorite Beatle deserves privacy and respect. And you should give him privacy and respect whether or not he inserted a mudshark into a groupie. Because he is not you or I. He did not live your or my life. He had, and has, temptations you and I have not had, living in a world unknown to us. You or I have never even thought of the lascivious possibilities of the genus squalus. This is no more to our credit than not driving the Space Shuttle drunk.
Why am I harping on this lately? Because I’ve noticed that so many Beatles fans genuinely do not want to hear anything “bad” about their heroes (as opposed to Stones fans, or Zep fans, or Who fans, who seem to relish their heroes’ misbehavior). This is why Beatle tell-alls (most notably Brown and Goldman) have underperformed, and now are known more by reputation than reading. But this desire to domesticate our four wildmen—and believe me, compared to most of the people reading this blog, they were wildmen, unless you guys all spent Gap Years hanging with “toe-job” specialists and criminals—this desire to turn The Beatles into guys like us isn’t just parroting something that was already bullshit in 1964, it also doesn’t give John, Paul, George and Ringo enough credit. They got the keys to the Space Shuttle at 22, and discovered there was a full liquor cabinet; they also discovered that a lot of people would make excuses for them and cover it up. “Just don’t crash, fellas; we’re all making a lot of money.”
And for most of a decade, goddamn if they didn’t do all sorts of wonderful things, useful things, things they’ll be remembered for, drunk and high and surrounded by mudsharks up there in space. The wonder of that, the blazing human miracle of it, can only be seen clearly if you leave room in your mind for the full story, for that which we know and that which we can’t.
They certainly made an example of Fred Seaman. And in the end, his humble apology sounded to me like it’d been dictated by Yoko’s lawyers, word for word. It reminded me of the forced confession of a political prisoner.
I don’t know how Lennon would have reacted to Brown’s book. John liked yanking his own trousers off, but could have objected to anyone else doing the yanking. Just as he would trash the Beatles all he wanted in interviews, but wouldn’t tolerate Mick or Keith doing the same.
Here’s the problem with heroes: We can never live up to them. I know this is an obvious point, but heroes really make the rest of us feel… lesser.
Lenny Bruce pissed off a lot of people when he told an audience Jackie Kennedy was hauling ass to save her ass that day in Dallas. (The official story was that she was trying to save her husband and help an FBI agent.) Lenny’s point was that if his daughter or my daughter tried to save herself after seeing her husband shot, she’d feel horrible because she wasn’t like the “good Mrs. Kennedy” who stayed.
We can never live up to the myths we place on pedestals. And so there were times in my youth when I thought less of myself because I couldn’t conduct myself with the quiet dignity of George Harrison, or I wasn’t the ideal husband like Paul McCartney. Or a loyal friend like Ringo. And I’ve never baked a perfect loaf of bread like John!
Well said as always, @Sam. And the actual historical truth about Jackie is even more piquant. I think it was in Death of a President, but her attention had been caught by a bone fragment, and she was reaching to get it. Clint Hill got there just in time and pushed her back.
I’m curious Michael, how accurate you feel Peter Browns book is? You say he has a right to write about his experience with The Beatles, but does he have a right to lie, or merely embellish? I’m not saying he did, and I don’t remember reading the book. I think I scanned through it a long time ago.
My point is, yes, we should accept that the Beatles were not saints, and engaged in salacious behavior. I don’t have a problem with that. I do have a problem with not knowing what is true and what is false.
You write:
“Fans want the Official Narrative, that’s how it became Official. If fans wanted the sleaze, that’s what Apple would be selling, better believe it.“
I’m a fan, and what I’d like to read is the truth. Good, bad, or ugly. But it’s hard to discern the truth from the many books out there. I guess that’s why I have respect for Mark Lewisohn. He is taking his time to uncover the truth (if it’s possible as you write). I respect his methodical research, and cross referencing, talking to first hand sources, and the Beatles themselves.
I guess I’m asking you, if it’s improbable that we’ll ever know the entire truth, then how could we trust the many books out there on The Beatles?
@Tasmin, I think it’s impossible we’ll ever know the truth, and because of that it’s a wonderful exercise. Not to get all Rashomon on you, but what you believe to be “the truth” has as much to do with you, as with reality.
I do not think that Peter Brown, or anyone, has a right to lie, to mislead. I do think that he has a right to his opinion, and think his opinion is interesting because he was there, knew all the parties, etc. It is a question of intent and, unfortunately, we cannot know Peter Brown’s intent with every statement. Was he considered a bad guy before his book came out? (Like if Allen Klein wrote a book about the Beatles, you could say, “That guy is probably trying to manipulate opinion.”) In the case of Peter Brown, I don’t think it’s appropriate to dismiss his opinions simply because The Beatles or Apple didn’t authorize the book. They have a powerful commercial motive for dismissing it (plans for an Anthology project were in the works since 1970). It’s like Yoko de-authorizing Philip Norman’s Lennon bio. That’s money talking, not truth.
Even if money didn’t enter into it, maybe individuals within the Beatle camp genuinely disagreed with Brown; or maybe they felt he had bad intent; or maybe they simply saw it differently. I think the best way to look at Brown’s book is retrospectively; it’s been a decade since I re-read it, but I do not remember being shocked by anything–not one thing–in it. (This holds true with Goldman, mostly, as well.) Does Brown paint the Beatles as petty, mean, small at times? Yeah. But who they are in addition to that is backed up by facts; that Paul is/was vain and overbearing is an opinion, but that he wrote “Hey Jude” is a fact. That John was addicted to heroin was a fact; that he also inspired millions is also a fact.
I don’t trust any one single source; I add that source to the mass of information, updating my lightly held opinion as necessary. The facts give us the broad outlines of who these guys were and how special they were; the opinions color the picture. Even if The Beatles were all bank robbers, Sgt. Pepper’s is still what it is, and the joy it gives remains.
Thank you Michael. I love this:
“The facts give us the broad outlines of who these guys were and how special they were; the opinions color the picture. Even if The Beatles were all bank robbers, Sgt. Pepper’s is still what it is, and the joy it gives remains.“
The music the Beatles made gives us joy and fills our souls. That’s really all that matters.
Yeah yeah yeah.
And that’s not excusing who they were, and what they did. It’s just not expecting them to be superhuman. They were flawed people like us, and that’s what makes them so inspiring.
I think for me the last paragraphs are where I’m at in that I don’t think anything I’ve read or heard about the Beatles changes the joy I have listening to their music or the fascination I have in them as people and artists.
I agree that all stories about the Beatles are something to file away or expand on what you know of already. With the exception that I believe that it’s fair game to be as sceptical of what biographers are writing as it is to be as sceptical of the official PR line as well.
100% agree. Skepticism is good when it comes to the Beatles, because they are fascinating geniuses. Skepticism makes that even clearer.
“and believe me, compared to most of the people reading this blog, they were wildmen, unless you guys all spent Gap Years hanging with “toe-job” specialists and criminals”
I’ve been a producer (in training and then professionally) since the age of 15. “Toe-job” specialists and criminals are the nicer side of the tracks.
HAHAHA!
Producer in music or theatrical, @g_i_b? I want to know who to avoid.
Theatrical, but at a certain level they all intermingle. I’ve got some stories for you if you ever want to write a Life After Death for Beginners about Broadway, but sadly it may be way less funny ha-ha and more black humor.
@G_i_b, the challenge with Life After Death was that the book constantly wanted to become dark and not funny, and I wasn’t prepared (psychologically or craft-wise) to write the book it wanted to be. It wanted to be a hard-boiled noir, and I wanted it to be a farcical roman a clef. In general, the sillier a section was, the more likely I’d found a snippet of real information that was truly icky, and was running in the other direction.
I would think that a hard-boiled noir about Broadway would be very good and very popular.
I read that Paul and Linda threw Peter Brown’s book in the fireplace. If so, was it because he was telling lies or because he was telling the truth? I never read it myself. I’m not interested in dirty laundry and can recognize rock stars as human beings without reading what happens backstage.
While I agree with the sentiment I think just as fans shouldn’t believe that their fave celebrities are morally perfect human beings I don’t think it’s fair to just assume that all celebrities are morally bankrupt. I get that we live in strange times- in a post Weinstein, Epstein, with QANON going mainstream I think there is a tendency to assume that all rich powerful people have sinister skeletons in the closet to hide. But what if the Beatles weren’t any more good or bad then your average rich celebrities who engaged in drugs, partied, slept around, did questionable things while under the influence of drugs and partying, but ultimately settled down with their wives and children. Can’t there be middle ground? What if there really isn’t anything left tell that is worth telling?
I mean it’s not like the Beatles are squeaking clean anyway. There’s LSD, Heroin, Spousal Abuse, Wife Swapping, Drug Arrests, Jail, Adultery and cheating, Professional back stabbing, Depression, Alcohol Abuse, Violent Beatings, Secret homosexuality, Group Masturbation parties, Sucides/Overdose, friendships with Left Wing Radicals etc etc And all of this is what the Beatles themselves have pretty much owned up to or gone on the record.
Also I do think the motivation of people writing about the Beatles is relevant. Peter Brown chose to publish a book 3 years after John’s death when Beatles were going through a popularity resurgence and there was an appetite for it. Sure he has first hand experience with the Beatles and has the right to write a book about that experience but I don’t think it automatically means that he doesn’t have his own biases, motives and character defaults.
The reason people say Peter Brown wouldn’t have got away with writing that book when John was alive is because there are really no libel or defamation laws to protect the dead. You can write any salacious and potentially false allegation about someone if they’re dead and not get sued the way you risk if someone’s alive.
Because for every publishers that wants the by the numbers biography there’s a lot more that want the salacious. Just as there are a lot of people who like to read or are attracted to the salacious stories, especially about their fave or not so fave celebrities. That’s why tabloids and gossip sites are still going strong.
Albert Goldman wasn’t paid a million dollar advance to write a by the number biography. He was paid to write a salacious biography simply given the fact that he primarily wrote about the apparently salacious elements of Johns life almost to the absence of everything else.
Fred Seaman didn’t steal mountains of John personal effects, letters and diaries to respect Johns wishes to get the “truth” out like he had planned to try and convince people of when he was caught stealing. To say that he wasn’t financially motivated to use his position as John and Yoko assistant as credibility to publish a book and he didn’t have his own biases and personal motives is as naive in my opinion as assuming all the Beatles were angels.
All biographers and publishers are looking to cash in or financially profit in some regard on the Beatles brand as much as Apple are trying to keep the money train rolling.
Even Mark Lewhison who seems to be writing a fairly neutral fact based as much as possible biography is doing it for his own personal and most likely financial reasons.
It just that I personally trust him more then Fred Seaman who basically grave robbed and then wrote a book that not so coincidentally demonised the woman who gave him the sack for stealing. Or more then Albert Goldman who according to Harry Nilsson tried to get him drunk before conducting an on the record interview.
@LeighAnn, I think there’s a lot that’s correct in your comment, but there’s one thing I think I need to push back on, given my own professional background.
I think it’s entirely possible that we know all the dirt there is to know about The Beatles. But it’s also possible that we DON’T, and the reasons that we don’t are, IMHO, important to keep in mind right now. We currently have a man who is President solely because he was a celebrity, and 30% of Americans believe his PR no matter what. “Building up” celebrities is quite powerful; “tearing down” is not.
Anyone past a certain level of wealth is going to have a phalanx of paid people designed to “protect” them — PR people, lawyers, and sometimes even shadier types. And Paul McCartney (for example) could be the nicest person in the world, but the people he pays are being paid to do a job, and they will do this job or they won’t get paid. Would Paul know if a guy called a woman and said, “Don’t go to the papers with your story”? No, he would not. That’s why Paul hired the person who hired the person who hired the person who gave someone $500 in cash to make that phone call.
So when we’re talking about (for example) Fred Seaman and his motives, we also need to talk about his claim that he was intimidated. And when we’re reading his statement/apology, we also need to remember that claim. Beatles fans are very quick to dismiss Seaman as “a grave robber” (which he may be) without asking the obvious question: what if he’s not? What if John really did give him all that stuff? How would we know? It’s basically the word of a rich and famous billionaire (Yoko) with unlimited lawyers/PR, versus a guy with nothing. Why would he make this claim? He saw the phalanx of lawyers when he was working for John and Yoko. What did he think was going to happen? This is why I lean towards believing Seaman, 51/49%. He behavior doesn’t make much sense otherwise. And if you read those last interviews with John and Yoko, they’re always going on about how people are trying to screw them because they’re rich. But when were they actually screwed? From what we know, the only really dangerous person, financially speaking, around John and Yoko was Allen Klein, who they loved (because he was screwing others for them)…until they hated him (because he was trying to screw them). The whole thing wears me out. Just make songs and be happy, John. Put your money in tax free NY muni bonds and forget about them.
All of this is to say that, from what we know, I’m less likely to believe the paranoid billionaire who’s convinced everybody is trying to screw her, but who never gets screwed, than the schlub who has a few New Yorker diaries.
As to libeling the dead, Brown was shopping the book, and talking to the Beatles about it, and got their OK, in 1979. You could read that and say, “Well, he’s lying!” But then I’d say: if you live in a world where people like Fred Seaman and Peter Brown are always lying about this subject, and people like Yoko Ono are never lying about it, that’s a profession of faith, and it’s not a faith I share. People worship celebrities; I do not. I do not because I think they are people and people are flawed, and they are powerful and power corrupts, but most of all because I think worship is very bad for a person, and if I love a celebrity’s work, I feel I owe it to them to try to see them as a person, and not as an image — even if they seem to want me to see them as a image. Maybe especially if they, like John and Yoko, want me to see them as an image.
My final point has to do with this:
“Because for every publishers that wants the by the numbers biography there’s a lot more that want the salacious.”
This is simply not true. Factually, it’s not correct. Publishers are VERY wary of litigation, and any publisher big enough to really monetize a book about The Beatles — meaning, big enough to print ten million copies, so they can sell a million of them — is going to be scared to death of a lawsuit. Any manuscript submitted to them will be vetted, and the bigger the profile of the project, the more vetting they’ll do, because their liability will be bigger.
Are there tabloids? Sure. But the publishers of Brown’s book (McGraw-Hill/McMillan) and Grossman’s book (William Morrow) were both large, well-respected New York publishing houses. Does that mean that every fact in every book published by them is true? No. But these works were held to a reasonable standard of fact-checking and lawyering, and to claim otherwise is not correct. (I’m not saying you’re claiming otherwise, but many fans do.)
And Yoko never sued. Nobody “defamed” by Goldman ever sued. Does that make everything he said true? No. But if it were the pack of lies people say it is, and Yoko and others were as heartsick as they say they were, they would’ve sued. But they didn’t.
Secondly, certainly by the time Goldman’s book came out (1987) it was beyond clear that what fans wanted to read was the positive spin of a more-or-less Standard Narrative. SHOUT!’s is a really good example of this; a few minor revelations, but mostly the same story we all knew before it was published. It provided color and good writing, but SHOUT!’s the same story as the 1981 documentary “The Compleat Beatles.” There was no pressing commercial incentive for Brown or Goldman’s books to be hatchet jobs; there was only what the author felt was the truth. (I don’t think Brown’s book is a hatchet job, I think Goldman’s was. But we have to give Goldman credit; he did by far the most interviews to that point, literally hundreds, and he did them fairly close to the time, so there’s higher likelihood of accuracy. Spitz’s biography was drawn from the Goldman archive; I am sure Lewisohn is using it too.)
The bit about Harry Nilsson is not to be credited; Harry was a terrible alcoholic, and so it’s unlikely that anyone “tried” or even had to, get him drunk. I say this as a fan of Nilsson, and an admirer of his friendship with John and Yoko. But that complaint can safely be disregarded as evidence of anything, except maybe Harry’s guilt.
People outside of the book business say stuff like “a million dollar advance” like that’s a lot of money. It’s not; not even in 1981, when Goldman got it. With advances, first the agent takes 10-15% off the top, then the author gets a third on signing the deal, a third on acceptance of the manuscript, and a third on publication. So Goldman — whose book on Lennon I do not admire, I want to be clear — received no more than $300,000 before tax in 1981. He had to live the next five or six years on that, paying for research and assistants. Then in 1986 when the manuscript was accepted, he got another $300,000; and then got another $300,000. $900,000, minus tax, minus research and travel and other expenses, for eight years of work is far from a king’s ransom, even in the Eighties. He would’ve made more money as a college professor. Which is not to say he wasn’t a sleazebag writing a hatchet-job. But he wasn’t doing it for the money.
Anyway, like I said: I don’t disagree with your point of view; it seems legitimate. Just adding more nuance to the discussion.
Why sue an author if everyone thinks what he wrote is complete fiction? Not saying there weren’t grains of truth in his book, but with the uproar it caused and Goldman accused of character assassination, suing might have been seen as counterproductive at the time. Certainly, with the Lennon reappraisal that’s become so popular since Goldman’s death, his book has been vindicated by a certain fation of people. Too late for Yoko to sue now.
That was precisely the spin in 1987, from the Estate and Rolling Stone. “Oh, this is so outrageous we cannot sue. That would only publicize it.” That’s a reasonable outlook.
Of course, the other way of looking at it was that a lawsuit would require the claims to be investigated, and there was a ton of dirty laundry in there. That’s also a reasonable outlook.
So let’s ask the question: have the intervening decades shed any light on this, one way or the other? Were Goldman’s big revelations shown to be malicious fabrications, as Yoko and Wenner said they were, or have they been substantiated? I would say that they largely have; if you look at the things that were the most scandalous in 1987 — the precise allegations that made Yoko and Wenner the angriest (claims of violence and homo/bisexuality) — those are the things that Yoko herself says now.
That’s…rather shocking. I was an 18-year-old Lennon fan in 1987, and I never thought that Goldman’s allegations would ever become consensus; for one thing, Yoko would have to confirm things, she’d be the only one who could, and she’d never. Right? (BTW, I didn’t read Goldman until 1998 or something. I didn’t have any feelings about it one way or the other before then. Or, really, after then. It’s just more data, like Davies and Lewisohn and Norman and so forth.)
Look, I’m not saying Goldman wasn’t an asshole with an ax to grind. He was. But while his prose was purple and his musical analysis questionable and his dismissal of the other Beatles ridiculous and his treatment of Yoko at the very least unkind, his revelations about Lennon have been generally confirmed, and we have to give him that. Most Beatles fans don’t, and that’s not a kind of fandom I respect very much. It’s okay if you’re twelve, but not if you’re an adult.
Beatlefest, for example, is full of Beatles fans who “don’t wanna know,” and while they have a right to be fans in whatever way they choose, to me that’s closer to religion than anything else. And while that’s OK with me, that precisely is something John didn’t approve of, didn’t want any part of, and warned against constantly.
I don’t know what he would’ve thought about Goldman, but it’s not as crazy a question as it seems. I know he read, and liked, Goldman’s muckraking books on Lenny Bruce and Elvis. When the investigative spotlight turned on him, I think he would’ve fought that tooth and nail–but also might’ve cooperated. Lennon was weird like that. I think he would’ve resented someone seeming to profit off his life, but I think he would’ve had at least a grudging respect for a journalist willing to dig down in the muck. Because in the end, Goldman and Lennon’s view of the business was similarly cynical.
I think it’s also important to note that a libel suit is very hard to win if you’re a public figure. It takes a lot of time, a lot of money, and requires both that the statements someone has made are PROVABLY false and that they can be shown to have been made with malicious intent. I’m sure a good part of what Goldman said was true, and also that it would be hard to prove that the things he said that weren’t true, weren’t.
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In the end what I object to most in Goldman’s book is his clear eagerness to interpret everything in the most unflattering way possible for both Lennon and Yoko Ono. His book is essentially the obverse of the kind of “Beatlefan” positive spin you’re describing, Michael, and I find both the hagiography of extreme fans and the glee in mudslinging that Goldman exhibits distasteful.
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To me the overall lesson in this discussion relates to a line from The Band that Devin has quoted here before: “Take what you need, and leave the rest.” In my own interpretation of this particular issue, that means: don’t believe that anyone is a saint, or take your fandom to the level of worship. But also, don’t get obsessed with tearing down people who’ve achieved something that’s generally positive. I suppose I’m advocating a Buddhist “middle way” here. What unites the people who want to worship the Beatles with the people who want to destroy them is an overheated emotional intensity that I think points to unresolved issues in the observers’ own lives.
@Nancy, I’m in lockstep with you, here. Well said, and very worth saying.
I know I give Goldman a lot of slack. One reason is that he’s a good writer, in a school of writing (New Journalism) that I like. That’s not nothing. And in his time, the “necro-graphy” he specialized in was pretty unique, and definitely necessary. Lenny Bruce, Elvis, John Lennon–these are people who, within their fields, are perceived as GODS. In the comedy business for example, to not like Lenny Bruce, to think that he was a bit hacky or (worse) more than a bit dishonest—that is not an acceptable opinion. Goldman’s Lenny book, which is well worth a read, is an essential rejoinder to the conventional narrative if you want to know who Lenny Bruce was, and why he was important. If you just want to worship Lenny, well then, skip it.
Similarly, when Goldman wrote his Lennon book, John and Yoko were culturally untouchable; there was one acceptable opinion, and it was the Ballad, culminating in Yoko’s eternal residence at the site of her husband’s martyrdom. Nobody was allowed to ask the kinds of questions that would’ve been asked in a normal circumstance, and Goldman did that. That Goldman went too far in the other direction—well, it seems unseemly to us now that his revelations have been taken up by others. A fan might say, “So Lennon hit women, but why do you have to be gleeful about that?” or “So Lennon was bisexual, what’s the big deal?” The big deal is that in 1987, both assertions were VEHEMENTLY opposed by the Estate and its friendly media. They were called baseless lies. Nobody stuck up for Albert Goldman. But he was, on these points, right. That’s not nothing.
Domestic violence and bisexuality (or at least bi-curiosity) are now part of the mainstream portrait of John Lennon. And this is okay, because that was who he was. And a lot of people owe Albert Goldman an apology—not because he wasn’t an asshole—but because he did add to our understanding of the guy, and apparently it required an asshole to tell John Lennon’s story. As a fan, you might say, “But I don’t want to know about the domestic abuse. And who John Lennon was attracted to sexually is none of my business.” Fair enough, but that’s not the job of an honest biographer. An honest biographer shows you what he found, and lets you “take what you need and leave the rest.”
Goldman always said that he began the project as a John Lennon fan, believing that the conventional story was mainly true, and that his vehemence came from his sense of betrayal. Was that true, or a pose? We can’t know. But we can say that Goldman entered a world where John Lennon was, no shit, a symbol of peace and love on the order of Martin Luther King and Gandhi. It wasn’t Goldman’s fault that this portrait was partial at best, and showing the other side of Lennon has a great value. We now have a much more balanced portrait of the man and that, as I say, is not nothing.
Agreed, Michael. We do have a more complete portrait of Lennon thanks to Goldman, even if he does take, to my mind, too much glee in toppling his former idol. Goldman feeling “betrayed” by Lennon makes a lot of sense, and reinforces my point about overheated emotional intensity. As the Pretenders put it, “There’s a thin line between love and hate.” (Yes, my mind is essentially one big jukebox!)
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Fact is, we ALL project a lot onto famous people, and get emotionally invested in them — it’s a question of degree, and trying to keep a sane balance, as in remembering “I actually do not know this person.” What’s scary to me is the way the emotional investment in celebrities can ramp up into obsession, a la some of the “Paul Is Dead” folks. At that point we’re squarely in Q-Anon territory, where people are taking their deep emotions and looking for a narrative that will let them indulge those emotions. That kind of obsession takes both “positive” (this person is a GOD) and “negative” (this person is SHIT) forms, and I think both can be highly dangerous. (As I believe you’ve pointed out here, previously.)
No difference, structurally, between “Paul is Dead” and McLennon. Two sides of the same coin, one dark and the other light–a great conspiracy, built and maintained to mislead the fans. Of course fans attracted to one are vastly different from fans attracted by the other, and that matters a lot. But it’s the same mindset at work, and uses a Beatles-related story that exists to do emotional work for a certain type of fan.
@MG: Goldman always said that he began the project as a John Lennon fan, believing that the conventional story was mainly true, and that his vehemence came from his sense of betrayal. Was that true, or a pose?
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Goldman seemed to have a lot of contempt for rock stars and rock music in general, so to me it was a St. Paul on the Road to Damascus epiphany for him – a pose to give more credibility to his portrait of Lennon, rather than it being a project to damage an artist’s reputation. Believe me, when your job is to dig up all the dirt you can on someone, that is the goal. Whether it’s true or not. Why would Goldman feel betrayed when he realizes someone he supposedly thought was a god is in fact human? How is that John’s fault?
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About “Paul is Dead” vs McLennon… What does one make of “Goldman was Right AND McLennon”? Ran across this amusing article the other day as it popped up in John Lennon tweets even though it was from five years ago: https://www.vice.com/en/article/ypa9b5/you-dont-have-to-imagine-john-lennon-beat-women-and-childrenits-just-a-fact
“Goldman seemed to have a lot of contempt for rock stars and rock music in general, so to me it was a St. Paul on the Road to Damascus epiphany for him – a pose to give more credibility to his portrait of Lennon, rather than it being a project to damage an artist’s reputation.”
Indeed so. I think I agree with you. I don’t, however, think you have to dislike your subject to want to dig up all the dirt on them–speaking personally, if I want to know about someone, I want to know everything–how could you appraise them fairly otherwise? But I think there’s no question that Goldman did not like Lennon. Goldman’s cynicism is, ironically, quite similar to John and Yoko’s in those last interviews. The world is a hustle and we’re all hustlers. I disagree with that…which I guess is why I could read The Lives of John Lennon and come away knowing details, but with pretty much the same opinion I had of John and Yoko going in. Maybe that’s the post, here? That I seem to be only person who loved Lennon before and after Goldman? If you have addicts in your family, you learn to love people who do the things that Goldman’s Lennon did. Not like them, not trust them, not approve of them, but (sigh) love them.
@Michael Gerber: “No difference, structurally, between “Paul is Dead” and McLennon. Two sides of the same coin, one dark and the other light–a great conspiracy, built and maintained to mislead the fans.:”
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Couldn’t resist that one, could you? ;D Seriously, though, there are Mclennonists with their tin hats firmly applied. In the year I’ve been doing this “learning about the Beatles” thing I’ve read more and different things and changed my mind a lot and I’ve kind of eased off on the John/Paul thing, but seriously, I don’t see very many people at all– have never seen one, actually– who think it’s an actual perpetrated “conspiracy” so much as just another of those secrets that the Beatles won’t tell. Something you’ve been discussing a lot lately yourself. And young people especially have learned that the patriarchy and old guard will cling to their version of events in the face of all available evidence. Does that make it correct? No, but people come by their suspicion honestly sometimes.
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As with Goldman, where there’s smoke, there’s … yeah, we know how it goes. I mean, there is not even actual smoke saying Paul McCartney died in 1966. It’s all made up. Now, is there smoke saying that Paul and John’s relationship had non-platonic elements to it? Heck yeah, there is. In their own words, in their own songs, in their own behavior to each other. Is there a focus on it by some people? Yes, and maybe it does satisfy some emotional need in their fandom, even if that need is to see themselves in their heroes or the desire to prove that John and Paul actually cared about each other a lot and to prove wrong the dudes who keep repeating robotically “John the real genius and he hated that conservative sneaky Paul and his granny music beep beep boop.”
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But yeah, I guess that’s just a difference of opinion between us here. 🙂
Kristy, one major distinction I draw between “McLennon” and “PID” is that PID seems fundamentally hostile to the Beatles. It’s about tearing them down and discrediting them, and is essentially cynical, even nihilistic. McLennon seems more idealistic, romantic, and fantasy-driven. Getting obsessed with anything is a danger, but PID seems far more destructive to me (though I’ve made my concerns about the whole McLennon narrative manifest elsewhere on this blog).
Agreed, @Nancy.
PID is a product of the most nihilistic parts of the Sixties. To understand it, you must read about the assassinations and the coverups; PID happened in 1969, after a bunch of political murders happened and were covered up for political gain. The Beatles + JFK assassination = PID. So it’s understandable as generational trauma. But what makes it dangerous now in my opinion is that the trauma has hardened into a mindset, into personal politics.
@Kristy, maybe we differ, maybe we don’t–remember, I’m the guy who wrote the “John and Paul” post! I think it’s entirely possible that John and Paul had a non-Platonic relationship. In fact, I think it’s likely they DID as teenagers (male/male sexual experimentation is common, even among heterosexuals, and was common then; we even have anecdotes about group masturbation, and — forgive me for being coarse, but once you’ve got your dick out…). I also think it’s entirely possible that John was bisexual, that Paul might be bisexual, and that same-sex attraction existed between them — we have a hundred love songs, and while I don’t think they’re singing to each other (that’s fan-thinking, not artist-thinking), I think they’re both huge romantics who basically had to think about romantic love all the time to write songs about it. And we know that people used to make snippy comments about them being an item.
But on balance, knowing what I know about myself, about masculinity as it was practiced then (and how different it is now), and primarily the absolute third rail quality of male homosexuality to males of that time (which is where the snippy comments came from), I don’t think J/P holds up…except as a possible explanation of what happened in India, and why Lennon’s turn from The Beatles was so abrupt and total. And I absolutely don’t think a sexual relationship between J/P is the kind of secret that the inner circle (including the other Beatles, and wives) could’ve kept. And for McLennon to be what posters say it was, that’s a big secret, hard to keep, being kept perfectly for 50 years.
But that’s not the point I was making — poorly, I know. I struggled to find the right word, and I don’t think “structurally” quite does it. What I’m getting at is that both PID and McLennon look at the Official Narrative as a text full of clues to a hidden, greater truth. The truth is hidden by/because of society’s wickedness (in PID, greed; McLennon, sexual repression), and the revealers of it have a crusading quality, and a “this is OBVIOUS” attitude. They look at the Official Narrative as a product of power in service of power (in the case of PID, capitalism; McLennon, patriarchy). And while those structures exist and are powerful, they are not so all-powerful that they dictate reality. If Paul had died in November of ’66, how the hell do you explain Sgt. Pepper? Or the rest of McCartney’s career as a musician? Is William Campbell both a body double and a talent double? Or was there a Brill Building cranking out faux-Macca tunes?
Similarly, with McLennon, how do you explain 50 years without a photograph, a verifiable anecdote, an admission (particularly from Yoko). No male ex-lover for either man has ever gone public with an affair, and so McLennon isn’t just that John and Paul had a sexual relationship, it’s that they only had a sexual relationship with each other, in secret, for decades. And that’s…not how sexuality works, generally. Certainly not male sexuality. Do I buy John’s going to brothels in Thailand and NYC? Sure. Do I think he could’ve slept with men as well as women? Sure. But McLennon is something very different from that — it’s a relationship. The relationship aspect, and the gender fluidity and obsession with power dynamics (hunter is captured by the game, etc etc), sounds to me like contemporary female sexuality, not male sexuality as two Liverpool-born rock stars practiced it from 1963-80.
I dislike PID intensely, and mostly don’t mind McLennon — but in looking for a secret, I think they look past, or take for granted, the true miracle. Which is that just the right people formed and thrived for a time, and made all this great music, and on top of their amazing musicianship and chemistry were four intelligent, handsome charming fellows who somehow managed to stay alive from 1957-70. And while I think there are scandals yet to be discovered, and secrets that will never be discovered, I think they are not things that obsess fans — which is why they haven’t been unearthed. I’ve wondered whether Brian Epstein was murdered, and there are good reasons to think he might’ve been; but that does not occupy the some mythic/imaginative space as PID (which is almost absurdly Christian) or McLennon (which to me has elements of romance novels and is practically by-the-book Courtly Love).
@Kristy, I meant to comment on this earlier:
“Yes, and maybe it does satisfy some emotional need in their fandom, even if that need is to see themselves in their heroes or the desire to prove that John and Paul actually cared about each other a lot and to prove wrong the dudes who keep repeating robotically “John the real genius and he hated that conservative sneaky Paul and his granny music beep beep boop.”
What, do you think, is it about positing a sexual relationship between John and Paul that makes it then more easy for some fans to see themselves in their heroes?
To my knowledge, the only people who ever said John and Paul didn’t care about each other a lot where John and Yoko and the journalists parroting those two. And even then, it wasn’t consistent.
I hear a lot from certain posters about these white male rock critics declaring John the only genius and shouting down any other opinion, but it seems like a straw man. I’ve very seldom encountered it here, and almost never encounter it in the press anymore. (On John’s birthday, for example.) I’m not denying other people’s experience, or the ignorant shittiness of the internet, it just makes me wonder how widely or deeply they’re reading.
All these things seem like from-the-hip justifications for McLennon, rather than any kind of useful explanation — and I’m aware that delving into these issues is not without risk, especially for women. Female fans have always been told they are doing Beatlefandom wrong, as Nancy has developed in some posts. But keeping that in mind, it could be that McLennon is merely the contemporary version of writing “Mrs. John Lennon” all over your notebook (as my aunt did in 1964). There is nothing wrong with that; it is silly, perhaps, but it is fundamental to the cult mindset. This wishing, and wishing to commune, be accepted, to know and be known, is a primary engine of fandom — but because it is, I’d like to push back against the typical arguments, e.g., “All the books say…” Because at this point, most of the books DON’T say, and haven’t since Anthology in 1995.
MG wrote: “…McLennon (which to me has elements of romance novels and is practically by-the-book Courtly Love).
At first I thought that said Courtney Love and went huh…?? She’s as far from romance novels as you can get LOL.
I don’t know where it was I heard it (it could have been that rather pretentious – but full of interesting quotes – fan-made “Understanding Lennon and McCartney” series on YouTube), but one interesting quote from John was that when he was young, he would fantasize about being able to just snap his fingers and a beautiful woman would take her clothes off for him. But when the fantasy became reality, the whole thing ultimately made him sick.
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Paul seems more cagey about all that stuff. I suspect the major reason he was so hurt by John’s 1970 RS interview was because he revealed the truth about what happened on tour, etc. Paul later said, “All that stuff about how the Beatles were bastards; he brought out the worst side, as if to exorcise it.”
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John said that he didn’t want to go into detail because it would hurt the wives and girlfriends. But for Paul, it’s all about preserving the angelic image of the Beatles. Even in interviews that he knows are supposed to be candid, like in a recent GQ interview (Untold Stories of Paul McCartney, no less), he tries to pin any “bacchanalian” stuff on John. Because hey, John wanted to be honest about it. The craziest thing Paul did, according to him, was accept the offer of hookers in Las Vegas (where it’s legal, naturally). He requested two! That’s the closest he got to an orgy, he said. The others “might have ordered something else off the menu.” John was “a bit more that” than him. His example was that one night a woman who fancied John took him home for sex, and he soon discovered that the husband was watching. And he didn’t really mind. Kinky stuff! Paul says he would never want the husband to know.
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How often can someone be called vain for it to become fact? I don’t need Peter Brown to tell me that someone is vain when that person himself says, “John couldn’t possibly be gay. If he were, he would have hit on me.”
Out of curiosity, what makes you call it pretentious? I thought it was kind of refreshing to see John and Paul held up as equals after years of partisanship, or at the very least for Paul’s contributions to be more acknowledged. It dips a little into McLennon here and there, admittedly, but given the material available, you can hardly blame them for drawing that conclusion; they’re certainly not the only ones.
@notorious_g_i_b: Just the way it was presented. I got the impression that it wanted to be The Real Beatles Anthology because like the Anthology, there was no narration, just quotes from the pair with their songs echoing murkily like the music was being played in a tunnel. Maybe pretentious isn’t the right word. I just didn’t like the style or the way the quotes were manipulated to make it sound less like McLennon and more like John’s unrequited love for Paul, a Philip Norman creation. The official Beatles Anthology, while not perfect by any means, did show John and Paul as equals. But unfortunately, the pendulum has swung so far in Paul’s direction to the point where a Daily Mail writer called John the “lesser talent” (in an otherwise positive review of Gimme Some Truth Ultimate Mix) and Dylan Jones of British GQ said he was washed up after A Hard Day’s Night, with Paul “undoubtedly the better songwriter.” That one was in honor of John’s 80th birthday. They couldn’t have found someone other than this self-proclaimed Paul fanboy to write the article?
I understand the echo-y song stuff is a result of YouTube’s system for flagging copyright infringement. The creator of the documentary has re-uploaded it several times with more echo-y murkiness to avoid being penalized.
Yes, that all seems like the memory of an old man who wants to be liked. Paul has always wanted to be liked; that’s him, and it’s sweet. But I wouldn’t necessarily believe him talking to the press.
In response to Michael’s comment that no ex-lover of John or Paul has ever gone public, I’ve just read a book by Lesley-Ann Jones called ‘Who Killed John Lennon?’
Lesley-Ann Jones is a British journalist who writes biographies about rock stars – a bit like Phillip Norman only less controversial. She states categorically in this book that David Bowie told her he was John’s lover.
She could be lying, but I don’t think so. She hasn’t tried to use that information to sell the book, as Phillip Norman would have done. She’s just sort of buried it in the middle of the book.
I don’t really find it surprising that no ex-lovers have come forward. Who would dare take on the Estate? Much easier to keep quiet.
Yay! Always suspected, how nice for both if this were true.
I just find it interesting that the same argument used against a possible John/Paul relationship – that no one has come forward to say they ever had a gay affair with either one of them – somehow can’t be used to discredit the idea that John was bisexual. It may be absurd to think that John and Paul would only have gay sex with each other, but it’s equally unlikely that all John’s gay sexual encounters would be the faceless, back alleyway kind (romantic that he was).
@Michelle, your last sentence makes a conflation that I find a lot in this topic.
McLennon is about romance; friendship with sex. We know John and Paul loved each other–they both said as much. But was there sex?
John may well have been bisexual but heteroromantic (physical sex with men and women, emotional love attachments only with women). Brian Epstein was definitely homosexual but might have been heteroromantic (physical sex with men, emotional love attachments with women).
There are men, some who identify as straight, for whom sex with men is precisely the “faceless” act you speak of. And in Lennon’s situation, anonymity and for-pay is actually self-protective; paid sex with a male prostitute is a lot safer (pre-AIDS) than sex with a male in his peer group.
“And I absolutely don’t think a sexual relationship between J/P is the kind of secret that the inner circle (including the other Beatles, and wives) could’ve kept. And for McLennon to be what posters say it was, that’s a big secret, hard to keep, being kept perfectly for 50 years.”
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@Michael Gerber, not trying to start anythin’, truly, I have the greatest respect for you. But… didn’t you just write an entire article about how we should probably assume the Beatles have mudshark stories that we’ll never know about, because, in part, insiders have little incentive to blab and every incentive to keep the secret? And that hard “evidence” of such (photos, witness accounts, …train ticket stubs, idek) is rare, anyway.
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That no groupie has ever come forward to say “gee, I think I saw John and Paul kissing in a corner one time” tells me nothing because…DAMN but we have surprisingly few groupie stories at all! (As you noted in your mudshark post.) If “Satyricon” was really going on regularly, I’d think there’d be a whole lot more witnesses to that kinda stuff than any “slips” made by John and Paul about a relationship that they very much wanted to keep secret. And yet Satyricon witnesses are absent.
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People have secret affairs. Even famous people. That stay secret for decades — or forever.
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Not saying they DID have an affair. But I can’t subscribe to the argument that it can’t have happened because we’d surely know about it if it did.
Ha! Hoisted on my own petard! 🙂
Yes, but…there’s a real difference here, embedded in the masculinity of the time then, and now, which to me is key to making a judgment. And that’s all we can do, make a judgment.
First of all, it says something that this McLennon subculture was not visible pre-internet–at Beatlefest, for example, where PID was definitely, regrettably visible–but let’s put that aside for a sec.
The difference between the “mudshark” anecdote and McLennon is that the former reinforces patriarchy, and the latter weakens it. The Led Zep story is 100% toxic masculinity (even if the lady in question consented and wasn’t harmed) because it reinforces the idea that Zep in particular, rock bands in general, and rich powerful famous men in more general, could and should be able to do whatever they want, sexually, to whatever woman they want. “Mudshark” is what The Man wants you to think. It is your prize for playing by the rules of patriarchy. But McLennon? The Man thinks that’s a threat.
McLennon — and this is what fans under 40 simply DO NOT get — is deeply subversive. It’s not “two girls go to the prom” stuff. Unless you’re already on that bus, it’s much more threatening. McLennon would, for most first-generation fans, fundamentally invalidate the Beatles story. To me? It wouldn’t. I don’t care whether John and Paul ever had sex, and if they did, it wouldn’t surprise me. But for first-generation fans, it’s a big deal; ask five, two will laugh in your face and one will actually be offended. I’ve done it. (And these people are sexually very liberal.)
And to men of John and Paul’s era? This, x1000. John Lennon nearly beat a man to death for joking that he and Brian had sex. Male homosexuality was actually illegal, and for people of the Beatles’ position in the class hierarchy, deadly. They were neither so far outside (like Joe Orton) that it didn’t matter, or so far inside (like Robert Fraser) that it didn’t matter. They were nice boys selling corduroy for the Queen; theirs was an image with precise boundaries (much more than other groups), so if a credible rumor of a love affair between John and Paul had ever surfaced prior to decriminalization in 1967, the whole Beatles thing would’ve stopped. And it probably would’ve stopped after 1967, too; the hippie generation was notoriously homophobic and misogynistic.
But McLennon isn’t positing occasional sex; it’s suggesting there was an actual, ongoing, romantic relationship — a multi-year affair between famous adults, not a fumble between teenagers in a Paris hostel — and this is what I think would’ve been impossible to keep secret. I’m almost with the McLennons; I even think Brian and John were screwing. But John and Paul? A sexual relationship inside the group would’ve made the dynamics even more complex, and something would’ve blown up. Maybe something did, in India. But I think that was a pass, or a short thing, taking advantage of the isolation, and the reduction in psychic armoring that meditation can cause.
“That no groupie has ever come forward to say “gee, I think I saw John and Paul kissing in a corner one time” tells me nothing because…DAMN but we have surprisingly few groupie stories at all!”
…and this is because the whole Beatles enterprise was built on the Beatles being squeaky clean, and definitely heterosexual. They had a gay manager, and a soft image, and long hair, and Paul was pretty. They were sailing close to the wind. So I think Mal and/or Neil and/or parties unnamed were conducting exit interviews with everybody who partied with The Beatles. At a certain point, it became safer to party with other celebrities, who also had something to lose. (Which is why Redlands happened the way it did.)
“People have secret affairs. Even famous people. That stay secret for decades — or forever.”
Me, personally? I’m totally with you. I agree that people have secret affairs and…perhaps oddly…I find that rather sweet. I once read a book that posited that 10% of all births were from different fathers than on the birth certificate. I read another book that said 50% of all people have affairs and that most of them are never discovered. Not being Judeo-Christian, and a listener to Dan Savage’s “Savage Lovecast,” I’m not freaked out by any of this. People are rascals and I think if we all worked harder at being kind and less hard at reining in things that evolution seems to make it hard for some to rein in, we’d probably be a lot happier. And isn’t happiness the point of all this? (Gestures broadly.)
But the sexual mores of today’s 20-year-olds are fundamentally different than when I was 20, especially when it comes to male homosexuality; and they are night and day from when John and Paul were 20. And John and Paul were not, for example, Bowie and Elton. Bisexuality, much less a relationship, would’ve turned John and Paul into absolute outlaws, not just to the suburban housewife, but also to a lot of the rock world. Now, it’s cool; now, straight dudes are apparently kissing on Instagram to try to attract women. That’s not how it was in England in 1957 or even 1967. Any judgment of these issues simply has to start with that fact, and I simply don’t see that acknowledgment. McLennon folks are applying contemporary mores, especially as regards masculinity, and that plus a heavy whiff of “wishing,” wearies me.
@Michael Gerber, sorry, I couldn’t reply to your reply because I think we threaded out. But just to note: “I hear a lot from certain posters about these white male rock critics declaring John the only genius and shouting down any other opinion, but it seems like a straw man. I’ve very seldom encountered it here, and almost never encounter it in the press anymore.” I wouldn’t call it a straw man, precisely; you would be right to wonder how deeply people have been reading because I’ve encountered that sort of attitude in a LOT of places, but the people saying it aren’t necessarily stating it professionally. They’ve read Lennon Remembers and Shout!, maybe, and then they go on for the next 30 years to spout their wisdom to all and sundry on blogs and podcasts and Youtube (truly the lowest common denominator) and twitter. I’m not saying it’s in “good” spaces. As recently as a month ago I joined a a facebook fan group and left within a week because seriously, if I have to see the phrase “Paul’s granny music” ever again, I may explode. (Prepare for the explosion, because I’m sure as beans I’ll see it again, hah.) And admittedly, I’m a newbie-ish and I think I’d counted up to about 45 books read this past year, but that includes Spitz and Goldman and Norman (multiple) and Giuliano and Shevey and all the RS articles and the old stuff, so I’m still encountering it fresh, AND I can definitely see the lingering impact from those things. There are a couple of contemporary authors/researchers who are L/M partnership-deniers, but I won’t call them out here. I will try not to go on about it further to you all in general. Thank you for a more elevated level of discussion, on the most part! 😀
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Oh, and what I meant by “seeing themselves” is that I think a lot of younger people are across-the-board looking for evidence of LGBT representation in the past, not just in the Beatles.
@Kristy, if you’ve read 45 books you’ve probably read more books than I have! 🙂 O wise one
The internet is full of shitty people acting shitty, which is why Nancy and I fight so hard to keep HD more cordial and less tribal. We succeed, mostly, thanks to you guys. But every six months or so I call Nancy and say, “I hate the site! I want to take it down!”
As to LGBTQIA representation in the past, this is my opinion (and it’s an issue I have some interest in, for reasons I can get into if you wish): I think people make a mistake when they apply contemporary sexual mores/definitions to behavior in the past. Was Abraham Lincoln gay, because he shared a bed with Joshua Speed? Well, we know Lincoln didn’t define himself as “gay”; we know that he was married to, had children with, and apparently loved a woman; we might reasonably surmise Lincoln and Speed had sex, but we don’t know that, or what it would’ve meant to each of them if they had. The only benefit to calling Abraham Lincoln gay, or more accurately bisexual, would be to lessen the alienation of and abuse towards contemporary sexual minorities, and normalize a greater range of behaviors — and these are good things and really needed, so if you wanna call Lincoln bi, go for it.
But “gayness” as we define it was only codified in the late 1800s; and really most of the sexual behaviors that we recognize, in the terms we recognize them, were first codified by Magnus Hershfeld and others in Weimar Germany in the 1920s. And there’s some evidence that things that are quite common today, like leather fetishes, didn’t exist in earlier times. So…the more I read, the more I think that perhaps large mechanisms of desire can be identified (power exchange; taboo-related stuff; nervous system games like spanking), but that the precise expression of these things are determined by the time, and the individual.
So it’s complicated. I for one would like a society where individual expression (be it regarding sex, gender, dress) was not policed. I would like to live in a society that allowed people to be as creative and individual as they liked, even though it feels complicated to us. And I’m not sure that assigning contemporary categories to historical figures does that; it may simply reinforce boundaries. But if people wish to do it–if they wish to claim Lincoln, or Caesar, or John Lennon–I do not see the harm. If that’s the only lens through which you’re looking at the Beatles, you’re missing a lot. But once again–who’s that harming? Not the Beatles.
Well, now that I have a clear superiority on the matter! ;D You should see my “unread” shelf. Social distancing means I have a lot more time to sit at home and read rather than go out on the town, even if both my jobs have never stopped during the pandemic. I’ve been prioritizing books by women, so they’re not all reference bricks. Speaking of, I’d really like to read May Pang’s book but it’s out of print and the price is too prohibitive.
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Yeah, research into historical gayness seems like it can fall into certain traps because of the lack of, or different, labels applied in the past to what we have now. I’m Gen-X so I try to stay out of Gen-Z spaces, but sometimes I can see the disconnect when a younger person enters a conversation and wants to know what label to apply to X person. Luckily there are pedantics all over fandom and people willing to nurture and educate.
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What’s interesting is when, now and then, someone (purported) of a certain age pops in to fan spaces to tell their story, or some younger person talks to their grandma’s ex-groupie friends; they do seem to have the same story as what you noted elsewhere, that they saw things and thought things but didn’t have the openness or same words to describe what they experienced. I guess I’ve just been more used to existing in fandom spaces like for sci-fi/fantasy, where subversive shit has been going on for decades, and Beatles fandom in general is a little mind-boggling.
Just to note, I realize one deals primarily with fiction and speculation, and the other with real people, and I definitely know the difference! It’s just a matter of environment that I meant. As I said, I’ve learned s lot and adjusted my worldview accordingly, and have talked to others who say the same. 🙂
@Kristy, every generation thinks they invented sex, and Gen Z uses the internet to say this extra loudly. Not that this is necessarily bad — I think Gen Z/millennials are saner about some aspects of gender and sexuality than Gen X was/is, and the spread of their ideas is, in this realm, probably good for the world. But internet discussions tend to conflate two things: 1) sexual mores and 2) sexual behavior.
Sexual mores can and do change. Someone who is 21 today likely thinks of gender and sexuality somewhat differently from someone who was 21 in 1990 like I was, and very differently from someone who was 21 in 1963 as Paul McCartney was. Mores are behavior + religion + economics + fashion. And in the realm of sexual mores, I personally think that more freedom and acceptance is legitimate progress. So Gen Z is better, saner, than Gen X was, or the Boomers were, or the Silent Generation. The question is, how different is Gen Z from the cutting edge of Weimar Germany, for example? How similar are those equations, even though the values of each input are different?
Which then brings us to sexual behavior. Sexual behavior, the biggest input into mores, probably does not change. It expresses differently, but what people like and why they like it, what people do and why they do it, that seems to be fairly constant. Because of nerve endings, cunnilingus was likely just as popular in ancient Rome as it is today; though, tellingly, that patriarchal society held it in more disrepute than we do, because it was considered “unmanly” and “corrupting,” though not as bad as when a man performed oral sex on another man. (If you ask Boomers about the Sixties, their attitudes flipped fellatio and cunnilingus, probably because they were less religious, but still patriarchal.)
So, ancient Rome:
hetero intercourse = mostly ok
fellatio from a woman = ok
cunnilingus = kinda ok, but not really
fellatio from a man = not ok
fellatio on a poor man from a rich man = REALLY NOT OK
And for 1960s hippies:
hetero intercourse = virtuous!
fellatio from a woman = ok
cunnilingus = kinda ok, but not really
fellatio from a man = not ok
fellatio on a poor man from a rich man = still not ok, but no worse than regular fellatio
And for Gen Z:
hetero intercourse = ok, but possibly reactionary
fellatio from a woman = probably reactionary, but ok if she really digs it
cunnilingus = ok!
fellatio from a man = ok!
fellatio on a poor man from a rich man = REALLY OK
It’s very complicated, and requires a lot of nuanced judgment and primary source research. And often people don’t want to talk about it, especially once they have kids.
The problem for me comes from analysis of an historical event or setting, with no acknowledgment that the mores are different, and thus the desire will be expressed in different ways. If the Beatles were happening today, there would FOR SURE be photos of John and Paul kissing in the corner of a party; at this moment, that is increasingly acceptable behavior among men, het and homo, under 25. But the Beatles didn’t happen today, they happened in 1963, and affection and even attraction among men was expressed differently. Men were fucking in 1963, but fewer–religious and social mores restricted open affection and sexuality, and forced it into other behaviors, unless it was so overwhelming the urge was undeniable, or the people involved were outliers of personality or situation.
So to look at Beatle sexual behavior and “decode” it is a very difficult endeavor, and there’s a lot of Beatle fan talk that acts as though it’s not. That remakes these real people into what fans want them to be, rather than who they were, and that’s troubling, because the internet promises diversity, but creates monoculture.
Just as an aside, while I heard about the mudshark story a long time ago from a friend who read Hammer of the Gods, the article linked here is the first time I read the details. Is it a case of blaming the victim, or is the mudshark girl really that unsympathetic? If she enjoyed it, great. I feel less disgusted about the humane race in general. That said, it always seems to be the hangers on (i.e., roadies) who are the worst offenders when it comes to this stuff. And I do feel sorry for the shark.
Yes this is first time I’ve read the details as well. I assumed it was apocryphal.
Did you find the mudshark groupie unsympathetic? I remember feeling surprised that it was consensual, but apart from that I didn’t have a opinion about her. Glad she was OK, and not “being done to,” as I feared.
Excellent point, I totally agree. Any wild incident on the road would more likely be heard about than a secret affair between two people. And to Michael’s point about Yoko, especially, not giving any admission about John and Paul, she kind of did – halfway (“from John’s side, not from Paul’s”) because believe it or not, she respects Paul and his family. Or maybe John did want an affair with Paul and was deterred by Paul’s “immovable heterosexuality” (was that John’s description, Yoko’s or Philip Norman’s?).
It is paradoxical that as fans we want to know everything, but then feel deflated when we read something that doesn’t quite gel with how we like to see them. Anyone who reads this blog, even sporadically, knows that the Beatles as a group and as individuals were not goody goodies. 1964 was a long time ago. However, I think the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. For example, why is John called a wife beater? As far as I have read (and I’ve read many books on John/Beatles) Lennon hit Cynthia once when both were teenagers prior to their marriage. Has Yoko mentioned that he perpetrated physical violence against her? I read May Pang’s book a long time ago but don’t recall her saying he hit her; went on drunken rampages and wrecked rooms, yes, but I think I would have remembered scenes of domestic violence. Please enlighten me if I’ve missed something that cements his now common place wife beater image.
Bisexuality? The only evidence of such is John’s Spain trip with Brian. He did tell a few people that something happened. John was the kind of guy that would try anything once. Even Yoko, who for some reason had to tell us that John was bicurious (was Yoko looking for attention?)said he never followed through with his bicuriosities. Goldman? He may have some factual well researched things in his biography, but he wanted to present every minute of John’s life in the most negative and depraved light. And now you say you think Paul was bisexual. Why? Because he was pretty? If Paul came out as bisexual I would be fine with it. But he hasn’t, there’s no evidence of it, so why bring it up? With large groups of people believing the most bat shit crazy conspiracy theories these days, all these what-ifs make me very uneasy.
Finally, maybe I do want to see the Beatles through rose-colored glasses. I do think they were better than Led Zeppelin, and not just musically. Otherwise, why do I want to waste my time being a fan of men who were no better than any other over the top 70’s touring band .
@Kim, I don’t think Paul is/was bisexual, not that it matters. I suspect John was bi-curious, and maybe had sex with men, not that it matters. I don’t think the trip to Spain “proves” anything, and it’s only interesting in that John said something happened. Which makes the John/Brian relationship (second only to the John/Paul relationship in terms of importance) even more complicated and interesting.
I think a fan could reasonably think of John as not-violent, or violent; or bisexual, bi-curious, or straight. I personally think of him as angry, especially when young; and also highly sexed. My view of him is flexible.
These types of unknowable/unprovables come up a lot on the blog because there really isn’t that much new to speak about; the two most controversial Beatles have been dead for decades; the vaults are pretty well emptied; Paul releases music, but he has likely given us his best already. To be frank, I’d prefer to broaden out the blog to talk about the Sixties (1959-1974) in general, but that may not be practical.
So everything is now The Beatles in Retrospect. Their impact on sexual mores, and the rock business in its classic phase, is proving to be one of their most durable legacies. Sexual behavior in the West definitely changed between 1963-1980, and The Beatles were a part of that, both as symbols and in their personal behavior. They talked about it a lot, they did it a lot. Same with drugs. If they were the only ones talking about it and doing it–like, for example, The Beats–it’s not really important. But because it was a whole societal change, there’s a lot to discuss.
The other thing is: all that’s left to talk about is the stuff that’s hidden, private, personal. But none of that should be seen as being bigger or more important than the public, the admitted, what we already know.
I guess for me I’m increasingly interested in how the experience of becoming Beatles, and then being Beatles, and then having been Beatles, impacted the four guys we know and love. As people.
Paul made a comment during an interview with Michael Parkinson (I believe) that illustrates just how much attitudes have changed. It was around when Many Years From Now was published. Parkinson said, “Your love for him [John] comes through in the book… Did he love you?” Paul answered in the affirmative after a cheeky sort of response (“Why don’t we ask him? Babe, did you…?”). Then he went on to say, “We [the Beatles] were the first men to sort of come out and say, “I love him.” And this was during a time when homosexuality was largely illegal.” I thought, how odd is that. I’m pretty sure he was talking about the platonic form of “I love you”; it would never occur to me to equate a guy telling his friend he loves him with homosexuality. The Beatles risked being accused of homosexuality by saying that?
“The Beatles risked being accused of homosexuality by saying that?”
ABSOLUTELY.
@Michelle, this is what I’m constantly yammering on about lately. Sexual mores, especially in re male homosexuality, are VASTLY different today, vastly more open and accepting.
It’s difficult to overstate the absolute terror straight men had of being perceived as gay, and the policing/monitoring that we straight men did to each other. Often it was “jokes.” You’d joke that guys who wore pink shirts on a Thursday were gay, and it would be a joke…but then if a guy was wearing a pink shirt on a Thursday, you’d wonder. If he did it a lot, it would be a “thing.” And by “a thing,” I mean, something you could get beat up for.
And this was in the mid-80s, in a very liberal suburb of Chicago (think The Breakfast Club). One of the guys I knew in high school, a dear fellow named Oliver, was one of Jeffrey Dahmer’s victims.
Now, take the situation I lived through, and crank the paranoia and self-policing and potential for violence up to eleven, and you’ve got America in the 1960s. I can’t speak to Britain with as much certainty, but given that male homosexuality was illegal before 1967, I don’t think it was much better. But here in America, even the Beatles’ hair made them sexually suspect. The sources are almost laughable in their hysteria. The whole package–the hair, the boots, the tailored suits, the heightened emotionality–this made conventionally masculine men frightened and angry, and that fear and anger often came out as cracks, slights, “jokes” that were not jokes. We know The Beatles were brawlers because they couldn’t get away with being so “femme” without that. But it was a balancing act, and sometimes they couldn’t pull it off (ask Bob Wooler).
So one of the things that McLennon doesn’t get is this context; not only the huge pressure on The Beatles to be straight in behavior, because they were gay in some signifiers, but also the “joking” aspect of it. I haven’t listened to the “Day Tripper” press conference lately, but I remember being struck by the male hostility aimed at them, how “straight” men of an earlier generation were determined to belittle them, and keep the norms in place. You know people were constantly asking them, “You’re not a fag, are you?”
If John and Paul are gay lovers, it takes away the element of choice that is so important — it would be as if John and Paul were secretly African-American, that’s why they wouldn’t play segregated concerts. All four Beatles, but especially John and Paul’s emotionality and openness is particularly powerful if you think of it as a choice made by straight men, to push back against other straight men.
This is one of the reasons I dislike The Stones so much; almost as powerful as The Beatles, they decided to reinforce gender roles–be the “bad boys” in public — even though in private they were (or at least Mick was, for a time) bisexual. Or Mick and Keith twiddling tongues; it’s all playing to the camera. Though they were good on racial issues, The Stones chose to abide by the rules of gender, to make more money. The Beatles didn’t give a damn about any of that, and to turn their behavior into code for a Secret Love Affair turns a laudable choice into a fan-misleading conspiracy.
Michael, that’s a good point about the importance of choice in the way the Beatles pushed back against the norms of 60s masculinity. And yes, they were seen as a HUGE threat to gender roles by a lot of contemporary commentators.
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I want to add something to sit beside what you say about how much attitudes towards homosexuality have changed: attitudes can still be quite local. Especially in communities with a strong evangelical flavor — and that includes most of the non-big-city parts of the southern / southwestern U.S., and part of the western U.S. — there’s still a good bit of pretty open homophobia (and now, transphobia, as that community has become more visible). I don’t know enough about the U.K. to talk about the situation there, but I’m sure it has similarities.
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I bring this up to emphasize just how revolutionary the Beatles’ shake up of gender expectations (tame as it may now seem to us) really was at the time.
from Michael Gerber: “All four Beatles, but especially John and Paul’s emotionality and openness is particularly powerful if you think of it as a choice made by straight men, to push back against other straight men….to turn their behavior into code for a Secret Love Affair turns a laudable choice into a fan-misleading conspiracy.”
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from Nancy: “that’s a good point about the importance of choice in the way the Beatles pushed back against the norms of 60s masculinity.”
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Ooof, friends, nooo. The Beatles’ defying gender norms would have been just as laudable a CHOICE if they weren’t straight. Being queer does not make your hair impervious to scissors or force the word “love” out of your mouth on a regular basis. So let’s please not say that consciously defying gender norms is more laudable or braver or more powerful when straight people do it.
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This has been a public service announcement in the gentlest and most diplomatic language I can muster.
Great comment, @Annie. Thank you.
I see your point. I have some nuance that I would add, to both my original point and your reply, but sense there’s too much “heat” around the topic for that to be useful.
But great comment!
As a young fan at the time I can’t recall Paul or any of the other three openly saying they loved each other during the sixties, particularly pre-1967. I could be wrong but it just seems suspect to me. Perhaps they did say it in private, I don’t know, but that’s hardly ‘coming out’. I believe it to be a little embroidery from Paul myself. I’m not suggesting he was lying by all means, but wishful thinking on his part, tied up with the trauma of John’s loss, the aftermath of the band’s dissolution in general, and maybe too much weed. It’s strange that Paul once said that what he hated about the theatre was the ‘luvviness’ within the profession, yet that’s exactly what rock music itself became: full of back-slapping ingrates, kissy-kissy, huggy-huggy, mwah mwah; what I call, perhaps unfairly, the Elton John factor. Perhaps Paul got drawn into it, perceived it to be cool, but it’s inherently insincere in my opinion. I’m glad there is much more openness about many things in society, including sexuality, but at times because of the queasiness associated with the music industry, I’ve truly thought, ‘come back stiff upper lip, all is forgiven’. I’m curious about George being controversial? Paul has always been the ‘other’ controversial Beatle. Excepting John, nothing upsets and divides people more than Paul who is either viewed as an egotistical, controlling asshole on the one hand and a national treasure or God’s chosen one on the other. George elicits nowhere near this response from fans or the public in general. There is nothing enjoyable about it either. One thing though: learning of the death of Sean Connery today, known abuser and open supporter of women-slapping, what is it about actors that they can still be so eulogized, but not rock musicians?
@Lara, I can think of one example of a Beatle publicly saying they loved another Beatle, but there may be others. Admittedly it was at the tail end in 1970 as part of Paul’s press release where he DIDN’T say he’d quit:
Q: What do you feel about John’s peace effort? The Plastic Ono Band? Giving back the MBE? Yoko’s influence? Yoko?
A: I love John, and respect what he does – it doesn’t really give me any pleasure.
Another example, from John in his 1970 RS interview: Ringo was all right, so was Maureen, but the other two really gave it to us. I’ll never forgive them, I don’t care what fuckin’ shit about Hare Krishna and God and Paul with his “Well, I’ve changed me mind.” I can’t forgive ’em for that, really. Although I can’t help still loving them either.
An example John saying they needed each other, which to me is akin to love in the context he gives to Hunter Davies in 1967: “If I am on my own for three days, doing nothing, I almost completely leave myself. I’m at the back of my head. I can see my hands and realize they’re moving, but it’s like a robot who’s doing it. I have to see the others to see myself. Then I realize there is someone like me so it’s reassuring. We were recording the other night, and I just wasn’t there. Neither was Paul. We were like two robots going through the motions. We do need each other a lot. When we used to get together after a month off, we used to be embarrassed about touching each other. We’d do an elaborate handshake just to hide the embarrassment… or we did mad dances. Then we got to hugging each other. Now we do the Buddhist bit… arms around. It’s just saying hello, that’s all.”
That’s a good question. I think rock musicians live or die based on the quality of their songwriting. But actors who are lucky enough to team with brilliant directors and screenwriters over the decades eventually reach cult status.
That goes both ways, though. An actor often unfairly takes the blame when stuck with a bad director and script. Look at Ryan Reynolds. When he starred in Green Lantern, he was considered a dullard. Now, after being cast in Deadpool, he’s one of the wittiest men in Hollywood.
In old showbiz, singers could rely on an industry of songwriters and arrangers to back them up. After Dylan and the Beatles and the advent of the singer-songwriter, rock musicians are now out there on their own.
I saw a piece of entertainment journalism today titled “Sean Connery Is the Reason We Have Action-Movie Wisecracks” and my immediate reaction was “No, I think that credit goes to the people who wrote the Bond scripts. Unless Connery was ad-libbing his way through those movies.”
Great post and discussion. My thought on the untold stories and wondering what if and drawing your own conclusions, ie McLennon, is that it’s most fun when it can reveal new layers to songs you thought you knew inside and out.
We know the facts, but then there’s also the knowledge that what we do know are actually just details but not necessarily the complete story. Paul wrote “Hey Jude” is a fact, and the official narrative is it’s about Julian, but also John thought it was about him, and then there’s also the fictional Jude. “Martha My Dear” is about Jane Asher and also the sheepdog and it’s maybe a way to indirectly say bitch. Or maybe that one is also, on some level, about John, who again threatens to disrupt and ruin everything.
Also part of the official narrative is the glee when Paul & John figured out the pronoun trick with their early songs – From Me To You, Love Me Do, I’ll Get You, etc — presented as being a clever marketing trick almost, but the songs are always just meaningless. Just ad copy, silly love songs, is the official narrative.
Fans I think tend to get a bit wrapped into uncovering the mystery of the untold sexual details of McLennon — whether it was one drunken kiss, a clumsy pass or awkward hook up in India — with the data, but I think the story is in the music.
I think if McLennon is true it’s more in the form of love letters told through pop song lyrics. I think it is conceivable that virtually every Lennon or McCartney song’s lyrics is, consciously on their part, a form of passing a secret note in public. The songs were also about other people – Linda, Yoko, Jane, etc – but were always written with some degree of consciousness knowing they had one listener who would really understand the song.
So maybe when the official story is suggesting “ah the early songs had no meaning” — it may be to distract from the lens that the early songs might be the most revealing to McLennon. It’s all love songs from John until “Help!” when the rejection and self-loathing kicks in; Paul’s songs are about threatening to leave ’65-66. The most exuberant love songs came during their time spent together in hotels. Then the songs become about a long distance relationship. John doesn’t really write love songs after his union with Yoko. There’s the details in Ballad, and the burden in She’s So Heavy, and he calls her name in the tub Oh Yoko. But the loving, yearning tone of “Ask Me Why” is unique to the early days for Lennon. Why was he singing and writing his happiest songs when he and Paul were at their closest?
Personally I think McLennon is more likely true than not, and maybe it was ongoing the whole time or maybe it was limited to drunk/confused/famous-in-your-20s encounters in Hamburg and Paris and India, but the sexual details are still beside the point to me. The more fascinating, revealing, interesting, subversive element is the idea that all of the Beatles / McCartney / Lennon catalog, all of it, is rooted in queer romance, as somewhat distinct to whether a sexual relationship materialized or not. From their hair to Ringo yelling about boys, to everything else, The Beatles are thoroughly queer. We just culturally, I think, have a hard time accepting the word or concept of ‘queer’ — even though we freely call them a love story and that they were weird and open-minded and had an unusual relationship.
Anyway, all of that is said in service to using the music as a way toward feelings of positivity and empathy. The songs are gifts of love that we use for our own lives and weddings and mix tapes. They might also be requests of understanding, of deeper listening and speculative imagining. It’s a fun exercise, I think — and to my ears, all of the songs including all of John & Paul’s solo stuff to this day, only encourage this idea rather than dissuade it… At least, it can make re-listens more interesting.
Ultimately, the only ones who lived Paul and John’s inner lives are them. The only ones who were in the rooms with them alone would have been them alone; McLennon is Schrodingers Beatle.
Just great! Thank you! This should’ve been a post, it deserves more discussion than it will get buried in a thread. Next time write me and I’ll put it up.
The only place I feel differently is…well several places:
1) The idea that “all of the Beatles / McCartney / Lennon catalog, all of it, is rooted in queer romance” is profoundly limiting, and one must ask: why limit it in this way? Who/what is benefitting? “Hey Bulldog” is a great song simply as a groove, it’s an interesting thought experiment to think that it’s somehow about J/P romance, and it’s also interesting to think that the lyrics were written for Erich Segal, screenwriter for “Yellow Submarine” and “Love Story.” As a Yale grad (like Segal), with our school mascot the bulldog, that reading tickles me. But it tickles me because of ME, not because it’s accurate or revealing or important. A Yale-centric reading of “Hey Bulldog” shrinks this thing that’s much bigger than me, that is alien and challenges me and is a place to go for richness precisely because it is bigger than me, into something no bigger than myself. That is a loss.
2) When first-generation female (and probably some male) fans filled notebooks writing “Mrs. John Lennon,” this is what they were doing. They were taking four strangers making wonderful music and quite literally changing the world, and shrinking them into peers. They were taking an amazing, unlikely, world-spanning story and shrinking it to the size of a high school romance with a 15-year-old from Carbondale, IL. That’s why we look back on that and find it humorous, if sweet–it’s a profound type of narcissism that shrinks all of human experience to one’s own experience. It is a poverty of imagination that, while understandable and even sweet in a 15-year-old from Carbondale in 1965, shows something not exactly praiseworthy in an adult.
3) Why is it not praiseworthy? Because it does not acknowledge any form of reality outside oneself. It puts one’s own experience as a limiter on everything else. “Don’t bother me with mere facts,” it says, “I KNOW.” And how do I know? “Because I can relate. This is the reading MY experience, MY life, shows to be true.” But one person’s experience is not everyone’s experience; in addition to pure chance, each of us limits our experiences through taste, preference, prejudice — and then narrows reality still further via interpretation. Is one’s own experience/taste useful as an intellectual tool? Sure. But it’s no less limiting than the Official Narrative, it only feels like it when it gibes with you in ways the Official Narrative does not. If I hadn’t gone to Yale, I wouldn’t even remember that factoid about “Hey Bulldog,” but I did, so I do–and I wish it to be true, and it makes me like that song just a smidgen more–but that doesn’t make it true, and it certainly doesn’t make it a key to anything.
4) McLennon is a product of a certain type of internet thinking: The assertion of an interpretation by an individual; other individuals taking this up for their own reasons; and if that interpretation does sufficient emotional work for enough people, the group gets big and loud and starts to say, “This interpretation isn’t just an interpretation; it’s reality, not the other thing.” That’s where McLennon, to me, is no different than (trigger warning) people who won’t accept that Trump lost. “This is how I want it, so this is how it must be, so this is how it WAS. Forget your big, complicated world with songs that can’t be interpreted cleanly.” But songs can’t be interpreted cleanly; creation, any creation, is multi-factorial. The idea that the songs “were always written with some degree of consciousness knowing they had one listener who would really understand the song” is a huge, huge assumption. Some things are not puzzles. Some minds needs everything to be a puzzle.
5) “We just culturally, I think, have a hard time accepting the word or concept of ‘queer’”…because its current meaning has only existed since the late 1980s. Anywhere but online, that’s an eyeblink. Like a lot of language that was born of activism and academia, “queer” is all over the internet, because the internet is deep in both those worlds. But the internet isn’t reality, and if you’re over 40, the internet is still pretty foreign. I have a couple of close friends who were intimately involved with the Gay Lib movements of the 1970s, and even they don’t use “queer” in this way very often, because they don’t spend their lives online. Acceptance/use of “queer” in the way you’re using it, is a signifier of a pretty specific view of gender and sexuality; and that view tracks pretty closely with a certain age, educational profile, and heavy use of social media. Personally, I like the term “queer” a lot because I think it expresses something really important, and also confers more personal freedom. But it’s not an easy term; as a reclamation, it’s complicated from birth; it crackles with the political and the personal; in fact, it’s close to terms like “obscenity” or “camp” in that it’s really in the eye of the beholder. Someday it might become more neutral, and thus have a clearer, more agreed-upon meaning, but that’s not today. Go ask a first-generation fan if he/she thinks the Beatles were, or even the Beatles’ story was, queer. Note the look of utter befuddlement on their face. And that goes for the gay/lesbian Boomers as well. So it’s not that we can’t see the queerness of The Beatles because the culture can’t accept queerness; it’s that the concept of “queer” is still a very new way of looking at gender and sexuality, and we should be wary of assuming that our terms fit well with how life was lived in 1957 or 1967 or 1977. Ask a gay man or woman who was out in 1967 or 1977 if young people’s sexuality is different today. They will likely tell you, “Oh my god, yes.” In 1967, there was a lot of repression, but it was different; and in 1977 a lot more openness, but it was different. It was different.
6) Finally, and this is simply a hill I will die on: reflecting back contemporary sexual mores onto past behavior is perfectly all right, if you acknowledge that’s what you’re doing. But that requires a openness and humility that makes games like McLennon a lot less fun. There is no primary source material for a sexual affair, of any duration, between John and Paul–or even John or Paul and *any other individual of the same sex.* That is an inarguable fact. None of John or Paul’s sexual partners–a group surely numbering in the thousands–has ever claimed that they had a same sex encounter, not even Yoko Ono. (She says John was bi-curious. Goldman says he slept with male prostitutes. One of Bowie’s friends says that he told her that he and John slept together. None of this is primary source; there is no direct knowledge or record.) Does that make it impossible that McLennon happened? No. It’s possible; John and or Paul having same sex experiences are also possible (I happen to think they are likely). But we can’t simply jump from Official Narrative to Queer Narrative without acknowledging what we know for sure, the only facts we have, do not support it. We can’t jump to a new narrative simply because it makes the story more interesting or contemporary, or makes us feel seen, or “reclaims” it somehow. Even if we back off the physical and say, “Well, they clearly loved each other,” then we’re talking about something very different than McLennon. John and Paul loving each other is canon, and if you’re on commenting boards where it’s not, they’re trash. John and Paul fucking each other, or even kissing each other, is not canon, and cannot ever be canon unless there’s primary source confirmation of that. Why this high burden of proof? Because John and Paul were/are real people, in charge of themselves, making certain choices and not making others. Wishing it were otherwise–wishing they were different people–and recasting it using the peculiar, changeable boundaries of sexuality as it is discussed on the internet ca. 2020, is about the writer, not John and Paul. And that’s A-OK with me, until it begins to obscure what we DO know via primary sources, and the taking over of Dullblog by McLennon discussion is proof that this particular idea is perhaps too popular, and is distorting some internet-era fans’ perceptions. It is an occupational hazard of fandom.
While I found a lot of what you wrote in this post interesting and I agree that they sometimes communicated to each other through songs (and not just hate songs which everyone agrees are about each other), but it’s not true that John didn’t write love songs after his union with Yoko. You cite the catchy but lighthearted Oh Yoko! but not Oh My Love from the same album? Is it because it’s wistful? Most of his love songs are wistful. He never stopped writing love songs. Bless You? Woman?
Someone on a McLennon site recently posted a quote from Paul that I mentioned here once but didn’t know the source or the exact context. It’s from the 11/23-29/2002 issue of TV Guide and the interviewer was Holly Millea:
HOLLY: Heather Mills says she’s bossy. Do you need bossing around?
PAUL: Well she seems to think so. I think I’m fine.
HOLLY: You must be very secure with yourself.
PAUL: I think it is that. I’m ok with gay people too, because I’m essentially comfortable with my sexuality. I can goof around with gay people. I sort of know who I am by now. And it’s about time.
If anyone else had said that, wouldn’t we take it to mean that they were questioning their sexuality for a long time? BTW, I hate the term McLennon. I think they can come up with something better. However, John and Paul themselves sent a postcard to the Starkeys once. It shows a groom walking off with the chauffer in his arms as the bride calls to them hysterically from the back seat of the limo. They signed it “the McLennons”. Too funny! Was that in Ringo’s postcards book?
George and Maureen to me I almost wish never leaked out. And frankly I’m a bit surprised that the story never got big in the US or British press. The band had ceased working together at that point…but still this was a big big thing and a very nasty thing for George to do. Worse than anything Lennon had done (or we’d known he’d done) supposedly didn’t John’s jaw drop and mutter “my god this is incest!” when he found out about it. Yet George maintained his quiet, nice, spiritual Beatle image to this day. But this is probably pretty close to a image ruining pr nightmare as it could get for the 4 of them…but it never took off.